Feb. 08 '12
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Children's creative place
Really cool. Id probably extend the T arm to the right more cause i read it as J :)
Thanks a lot Tomas, that was really helpful
Thanks guys :)
you definitely have a knack for these kind of illustrative logos. nice job.
I just wish they were the right color instead of white.
TEEPEE - it's best construction for the family:)*Version - Fenimor Cooper:)
Carlos! It's realy!...PERFECT!!!
thought i floated this one before, great work! :)
Thank you guys for appreciating my work.
splendid carlos! really nice.
fits nicely. lovely illy! :)
thanks for the kind words :)
very cute character design!!! love it!! %5E%5E
divino, muy tierno, perfecto!
really special ....great work!!!
Jessie, Analia, George...Thank you guys!
creative place - creative logo :)
Julius %26 Juli, thanks for the comments guys
2 little cuties! nice!
like it verry much, nice illustration:)!
Chiulin %26 Hana, Thanks a lot :)
Thank you :)
I have to agree with THEArtistT in that not only do I wish they were the right colour, but I wish this wasn't perpetuating racist stereotypes that are incredibly damaging to Native Americans. Good execution, too bad it is racist.
Racist? Seriously. It's people like you who perpetuate racism. Why even bring that up? This makes me laugh because I have Native American blood in me and I'm whiter than white. I have friends who are 100% Cherokee who are whiter than me. My son is Cherokee and is incredibly white until summer when he spends hours outside and ends up with the nicest, darkest tan I've ever seen. Why can't you just accept it for what it is? A nicely illustrated, adorable logo.
Being Native American doesn't allow you to dictate what others find offensive. I'm Ojibwe and I find imagery like this seriously hurtful. It upholds a European stereotype that was created in order to dehumanize us and homogenize our cultures. That's fine if you don't find it offensive, but many of us will.
Dehumanize us? Homogenize our cultures? How is that even possible when there are white Native Americans like me, my friends, my other family members? You being offended this much is offensive to me because you're basically denying my existence and claim to my heritage by stating these little guys aren't the right color.
Not to be rude, Tabitha, but I think you have a little bit of history to read up on. It's not so much the colour of the skin that is the major flaw in this, but it is the warpaint/leather fringe/Pocahontas stereotype that is being perpetuated. It was an image created by Hollywood that has absolutely nothing to do with what modern Native Americans look like or represent. It does absolutely nothing for us but solidify an archaic idea that we all belong to one singular fabricated culture.
Really? Native Americans don't look like that? I have family photos of my grandmother that prove otherwise. The powwows I've attended also prove otherwise.
I'd say that about sums it up.
The simple style is cute, but I feel like I've seen this style of lettering on every children's clothes shop and small, non-chain toy store in the last five years. That could be beneficial (at a glance you can tell what type of business/establishment it is), or detrimental (it may not stand out from a crowd of other similar logos in, say, the phone book). It depends on what you/the customer thinks is the more likely scenario.
The characters are cutely illustrated, but combined with the phrase "children's creative place," makes me read them as children in costume. If the business establishment were a Native-owned and operated shop supplying children's ceremonial regalia, this would be appropriate, but if it's pretty much anything else I think it's going to come across as children in costumes (thereby implying that the children are not Native themselves), which is distasteful, as it implies that a culture can be worn as a costume, as well as reduces marginalized peoples to the status of a children's game.
I don't think that was your intent, since obviously those kinds of heavy implications would make for kind of a lousy logo for a place that's supposed to be kid-friendly, but I thought you should know that, depending on the context of the establishment using the logo, that's how it would be read by some people.
Maybe switching them to two different costumes, to imply the range and variety accessible through creativity and imaginative games. I don't think the name of the place, "Teepee" necessarily needs to figure heavily into the character design of the figures in the logo, unless you can think of a less unintentionally racist way to do pull it off, i.e. a teepee surrounded by tiny cute astronauts and, idk, police officers etc.
As an artist I truly value everyones comments and opinions. Thanks for all the support, it is extremely helpful for broadening my abilities as a designer.
I personally don't find it racist in any shape or form.
I'm Chinese and I think we have a history and heritage to match that of the Native Americans. How many times were our race depicted and exaggerated in designs with cliches of slanty slit eyes and bucks teeth wearing a fricken triangle hat! Honestly, do you see every Chinaman looking like that? My son's eyes are wider than those anime characters and he is 100% Chinese! You have to liven up Lolita and have a little sense of humour. This is not a thesis or an entry for the Nobel Prize. Its MAINSTREAM artwork that everyone can relate to in one way or another. If you're so sensitive to this kind of representation at this level, man you are going to have a very hard life my friend.
Oh and I know we're suppose to take these discussions in the forum but I can't post anything. David?
BTW, really nice logo Carlos.
Thanks for your comment Norman, I really appreciate it :)
Hmm... If these are kids playing, why do they have to be actual First Nations children? I understand the sensitivities on the other hand of historically oppressed peoples. It's not like there are any Scandinavians in an uproar about stereotypically depicted vikings (horned helmets...). Great illustrations regardless Carlos.
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