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like the mark alot, with the H inside the reflected M's, also like the type but to me they seem to compete with one another, the mark is a strong graphic on its own but for me the type has too much going on, maybe its just the two s's.

Thanks Nattiemon! I'm just getting started on this one, so I can really consider your suggestions. I'll play with some alternative %22s%22 forms, and maybe take down the side of the type a bit.

er... %22take down the SIZE%22 I mean.

just a couple of suggestions if you are going to keep this font, would be to try and see what would happen if you make the a and b touch like that of the mark above, and something is bothering me about the i like its being dwarfed by the b %26 t, maybe make the i taller and move the dot down to touch it. dont know if that would work though. by the way i dont mind the size of the type, as you know the smaller you make it, when the full identity scales down it might be hard to read, so i dont mind the relationship. but thats just my two cents

Good idea. I think I will play with some overlapping in the letters. It would tighten up the mark horizontally as well. I was aiming for the dot in the %22i%22 to align with the cross of the %22t%22, implying the other half of the t's cross. It might not have come through clearly though. Thanks again Nattiemon!

Very good idea, personally I dont like choosen rounded font.

I saw MW at first and then the H hit me a second later... I was tickled! I like the idea a lot. **I agree with the others about the type%3B the S looks too cluttered as two forms, and the ascender of the B is throwing things off. I actually think you should try going with a small cap H, B, and T so that every letterform is below the x-height%3B it will look more streamlined that way. Also, I'd like to see the H in the type look more similar to the H in the mark.

Thanks Janzabransky,*Good call Grahammond. I see what you all mean about the S forms. I'm going to try small cap style to get rid of the ascenders, and modify the H a little. Great suggestions. Thanks!

Hi Climax. No I hadn't seen that. Damn... every time I think I have an original thought. Well atleast the idea behind the concept is different. Thanks for the post.