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I would say channel four uk would love this. they have reinvented their mark '4%3B its iconic. could you keep the numerical 4 the same height as the type?

Love the type. :)

Good call Paul, the dots are same size as counters and I think it balances better.*Thanks Bitencourt %3B)

looks great... red really makes it work more.

%5E ha I misread your suggestion, but you helped make it better so thanks ,I'll look into that 4 %3B)

glad to help.

whats that type Blair medium in lowercase? I would imagine if its in lowercase putting it in uppercase would match the height of the 4, maybe not, thought trimming the 4 has worked.

Paul, just one of my scratch types. It kinda read as ADOTS when I tried.

no bother, leave as is so!

%5E well I tried %3B)

Love the overall shape of the mark Mike, very strong.

Hey thanks Joe, good to hear you see strength in the design.

Great feel! Strong indeed!

I like it too, Mike. Can I ask what it's for?

Thanks Michael.*@ ethereal for a client. *Ha just kidding it's a naming/logo combo. for a graphical/print co. Have not heard from client so I may be stuck with this one, but name is changed to 4DOTZ instead.

Look nice. *I would try to make %22O%22 be one of 4 dots. Or my idea is too obvious.

Thanks acanski, is a nice idea, but then it would make 5 dots and/or I'd lose the 4.

:) U got right. *I mean to write vertical or something like that.

Stupid me.

%5E no not stupid.*Paul, I thought and thought about it and weighed it all out and took your advice. Thanks for the suggestion.