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Woa. **After reading %22dache's description%22:http://www.dache.ch/dache/comments/grooveshark_identity/ of the design process I was under full impression that %22his version%22:http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/41685 was the original and not a facelift of someone else's work.

Hey epsilon, are you referring to the submission dates? if the dates are correct, this version is like a year and half earlier than dache? Woa indeed.

Dache's could be a redesign? Just a thought...

looking over Dache's concepts, two of them looked a lot like other works I've seen there. this one in particular http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/42443

I agree with gareth... probably a redesign... but I hear what epsilon is saying about being lead to believe it was %22not a facelift%22... but thats ok.. we do that too...**theartistt... thats just heaping it on now...

judging by the concepts I saw, Dache is resting on talent and not pushing himself creatively as much as he could. personal opinion. granted, when you do a couple of mind blowing designs, people have a tendency to expect that every time. not always a fair viewpoint, understandably. but still, you know Dache has it in him. maybe he is just really busy. I certainly hope so. it is getting more and more difficult out there.

heheh not to be rude but a redesign would constitute more this is merely a tweak - the visa logo was a great example where they added the yellow - tweak / revamp / update / freshen - not really a redesign...

ps imho

%5E yeah I agree. I'm looking at the negative space here and feel that the redesign is not so much of a redesign but simplifying an existing mark? by adding an outline and going 1 color.

With the exception of nice type to go with the mark.

%5E agree :) but both still good logos in my imho

Yes, I just find it a little disturbing that the original design or designer was not mentioned in the above provided info. The final taking full credit here.

crazy world .... getting smaller by the day .... well at least we know it started here ... perhaps ...

I have earlier editions of the logo, this was the second version, but the concept of the fin has been around since day one.