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I think Obama kind of beat you to this logo...

Similar concept, but this one makes more sense, isn't so flashy, and includes stars. And to be honest this concept has been used in other designs and not just Obama's. So I wouldn't call it %22his%22.

actually, i would have to say it would make more sense if there were 3 crosses in your mark instead of stars. crosses may be overused, but when you merry the two together it makes more sense. your mark says more politics than religion in IMO.

Too close to Obama's logo. It's always going to be compared to it.

@Jonny5 - You're correct in saying that this type of concept has been used in other designs, however, none of those other designs were as immediately recognizable and were plastered all over the nation to back a presidential candidate for the past 2 years. And Obama's achievment is so symbolic and monumental that it's safe to say that it IS %22his%22 logo. Feel free to use it for your religious needs, but be prepared for EVERYONE to associate/compare it with Obama's logo, because they will.

I think his intentions we're to be similar to obama's logo.. He is our future for the next 4 years. Anyways, I think you did a good job on this one, like some of the others say it can stand on its on because of the similarity but it is a good representation of what this community stands for..**Foundation.

If I'm not mistaken. This site is for creativity not spewing your own personal beliefs. I would recommend taking out %22The country is losing its foundation.. yada, yada.%22 The text in your showcase speaks volumes alone. That being said. Your logo is very nice and it's spelled centuries not %22centeries%22.

I agree with you buddy, we need Christ as our foundation, Good logo.

I meant to say can't instead of can**

amen bro- awesome logo, showing it in my saturday inspiration :)**God is good! Bless you!

Thank you for all the feedback!**@ gyui - Its funny you mention that because I had the same idea, actually thats what I was originally going to do, but I didn't want to make it look to religious. **@ sdijock - That is a good point, however should say that this logo is not for a group, company, church, etc.. it is simply an idea I had and thought I would share it with you. Obviously I have seen Obama's logo, my goal was show a more down to earth and not so in your face and flashy as Obama's.**@ lordgema - In my opinion a logo does more than just create an image for a business, it reflects an idea or feeling on a certain subject. And you are right in saying what this website is intended for which is why I think you should spend a little more look at the design and less time at my spelling/comment.**@ penflare - :) *

@ ClimaxDesigns - I do not think that thats what he was implying.

The logo is nice, but it begs the question whom are these %22we%22 stand against ? .. because I really doubt they are standing there united just for the sake of standing. If so, then the logo represents a pretty divisional and exclusionary view of the world. Which is not that unusual, but hardly something to rave about.

Uhm, let me take a moment to process that one.

The full saying is %22United we stand, Divided we fall%22, the basic concept is that unless the people are united, it is easy to destroy them. Take for example when the twin towers fell.

And just so you all know, I am not here to rave about anything.

i kind of agree with epsilon, religion can be a very uniting and also an extremely divisive topic. Look at the middle east, look at the recent elections. interesting topic on this forum:P %0D*%0D*but in terms of design, i still think it is slightly lacking in something Jonny5. because i could put clinton, mccain, obama, etc. name next to it, and your mark could work for all of them, because i still see politics and not christianity. nice logo nonetheless:)

@ gyui - To be honest I had no idea it would turn into a discussion.

@Johnny5 - I wouldn't exactly call Obama's logo flashy. I think you're mistaking flashiness with recognizability and market saturation - his logo was prominent in every type of media outlet for two years straight. Granted, yours is definitely simpler, but it's still too close in look and feel to Obama's concept for me to think otherwise. And the fact that you've paired it with a very patriotic sounding tagline and color scheme and have chosen to reveal it immediately after his big presidential win people are going to naturally make the Obama connection regardless of your subtle graphic nuances.**On a final note, I'm glad you chose to share the logo with us even though I personally couldn't care less about religion. But I'm actually very curious as to what you're planning on doing with it since it's not for an actual client.

@ sdijock - I suppose that that is just my opinion, don't get me wrong I thought his logo was very neat. Actually this has nothing at all to do with Obama or the election. As you can tell if I did anything with the logo other than show it to a few people I would most likely be court-marshalled and shot, thus I am not going to sell, use, or distribute this logo. I simply wanted put my idea %22down on paper%22 and thought I would share it with you all.

@ Jonny5 - I didn't mean to imply __you__ were raving. Some other people were getting close to that. In any case - we'd probably better move further off-topic discussions to the Forums.

@Johnny5 - Just to clarify, the fall of the twin towers had NOTHING to do with being united or not and everything to do with a group of radical militant idiots trying to cripple the US because of our imposed foreign policies.

Hey let's all just get along. Look up at the stars and wonder about all those galaxies..... Earth I love this place.

I'm not saying you shouldn't use the logo and I hardly think people are going to persecute you over it's usage. I'm merely pointing out the similarities and obvious connection that people are going to make. As long as you're prepared for that then no worries.**I just assumed you had created it for a specific reason as you seem so passionate about it's message, so I was just wondering where the logo was going to be used. But obviously is was done for your own personal reasons, which is a good enough reason for me. Thanks.

The WORLD is losing it's Foundation, enough said.

@logomotive - Agreed. I wasn't my original intention to ramble or get into a political discussion. My apologies to you Johnny5.

Getting back to the logo here, which is what we are supposed to be talking about. The mark looks great but it looks more political than religious, like stated earlier. You might need some other iconic element to replace with the stars.

@ sdijock - Did people not unite and help those who lost loved ones? At least those who cared did.**@ wakbrdfr - It is not necessarily supposed to be religious.

@Johnny5 - I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were inferring that the US wasn't united and therefore the towers fell as a result. But yes, I agree with you that everyone was very united in the aftermath. I lost a friend when the towers fell so it kind of hits close to home and I tend to jump at people when they talk about 9/11. My apologies again.

@ sdijock - I am sorry if it came across that way.

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I'm with David.

Alright, first of all the when I say %22United We Stand%22 I do not mean against one particular thing. The fact is, and I am very proud to say so, through the fog of war, the worst of times and the best of times, death and life%3B without Christ as the firm foundation that we stand on, the country will crumble. It is through Christ alone that we have stayed strong. And cold fact is: we are moving farther and farther from Christ. Some of our currency no longer has %22In God We Trust%22 on it, our presidents are losing what has kept this country together and seem to think that themselves alone can %22change%22 this country. And yes I did just say that. **It is not just Christians that need to unite, non-believers to need to join us and work together in bringing this country back on its feet. And to try to prove others wise is impossible.

your right Jonny.. America was once far far more peaceful.. until settlers came along and murdered the natives in Christ's name... see how all things are relative?... nonetheless.. your target audience here is what's important.. %26 as a non-christian %26 a non-american i rather find the discussion more fascinating then the logo.. although i would point out based on your description the 'emphasis' in the logo is all wrong.

@ nido - Thanks.

For a non christian such as myself, it is hard to look at a logo like this and not feel deliberately, forcefully excluded. That being said I am used to it and have learned to ignore the feeling. Christians are usually very passionate which is one of the things I like about them. Too bad they don't like me simply because of my beliefs. But that is an old hurt. As an american I find it to be a very beautiful logo. As for the foundation of this country, I believe that would be the Earth, the world you stand on. All else changes with the wind. And Nido you are right and wrong, but, being an american, I find your perspective equally interesting and glad you said it.

@ THEArtistT - I am sorry if you felt that way, most of us do not want things to be that way.. or at least I don't anyway. Here is something for you to think about.. who made the earth? If it wasn't for Christ designing each and every one of us unique with different abilities, talents, and views.. not to mention creating the universe itself, there would be nothing. **@ ClimaxDesigns - I will get back to you later, lol.

I apologize if we are violating any guidelines and/or rules. I did not intend for this to turn into a political/religious debate, but I see no sense in stopping now.. none of these views/ideas reflect this website by any means. This was already pointed out by ClimaxDesigns.

I was under the impression Christ's father did the creating in your beliefs? But I think my god did it, personally. The biggest difference between my god and yours is that mine does not require I convert non-believers. He only wants those who know of him by tradition, blood and choice. He doesn't require the world to know or follow him. He's humble that way. It is funny how when I say I am non-christian, christians assume I have no beliefs or am athiest. Believe it or not, most non-christians have their own god/s, creation stories and afterlifes.**Like climax designs said, I like a lively debate. I also hope the forum/website is not put off by our discussion. I am more than happy to take it personal, anyway. Still think the logo is pretty.

Your right Jesus, Christ's, father (God) did create the heavens and the earth. God does not require us to convert non-believers, he encourages it, but it is not require. If your god does not require the world to follow or know him what is the point in having him? And what is the point in our existence? **I am not catholic by the way, I go to an Evangelical Free Church.**And who exactly is your god? Just wondering, and I didn't assume that you were atheist.**Just another thing to think about, is if you look back in history Christ was not just all of the sudden invented. He has always been. And there is so much evidence that Christ is real.

Jonny5, did you see %22Zeitgeist%22? :)

%22If your god does not require the world to follow or know him what is the point in having him?%22 Sounds like your god is a general and you a soldier.**Um, from what I've been told and seen, the christian/muslim/jewish god requires everyone to believe in and follow him... or else! The point is my god does not need me, I need him. What I do for him I do out of love and respect, not because he demands it of me. To me that makes him a much more powerful god. Does that make sense? And, as my god, he has watched over, helped and aided me. **As for the debate of who's god has been around longer, that can't be %22won%22. It is all based in faith... as all religion and belief is mostly.**Religion is as individual as hair and eye color. Everyone has to get to the afterlife (or heaven) in their own way. I don't see how americans having a variety of beliefs makes the country weak. I personally think it makes it stronger. It has so far anyway.**There have been a few debates, philosophical and otherwise that go on here. Logos represent a lot. Not just business. As long as it stays courteous what's the harm?

I agree. I thought this site was about branding, not religious argumentative shyt.

lets move on..

I'll keep the context to that of design and demographics. There isn't a logo in existence that does not deliberately exclude people by default because a logos function is to deliberately skew to a specific group. If I don't need or am not interested in a dentist... I'm excluded from the intent of the logo. But I can still appreciate its aesthetic.

Clashmore, feel free not to read them. Besides, I came in on a discussion already in full swing.**GThobbs, you are right about logos being inherently exclusionary. Course I was referring to the slogan, not the logo in this case. It is a pretty logo, but SDijock, and Jonny5 himself, pointed out it is certainly not creatively unique and will probably always be compared to Barack Obama's campain logo.**Here is an idle question, considering the popularity/notoriety of Obama's campain logo, do you think he will continue to use it as president?

@ the artist, your avatar is freaking me out somewhat!

%22Clashmore, feel free not to read them.%22... LOL!

Wow. I take full blame for rambling on in the beginning of this thread about the comparison to Obama's logo (at least it had to do with the actual logo design), but now that the thread has veered towards religion it's definitely turned into a dead horse that's been beaten, brought back to life, and then beaten to death again.**So, how 'bout those NY Giants...

Hi, the ArtistT- I'd say the president-elect needs to drop his road-leading-to-no-where and take on the presidential seal. It is the %22office%22 of the presidency that %22should%22 unite us. As far as Christ uniting folks that will never happen. (Even Jesus is quoted as saying He came to %22divide%22 not unite.) The only thing that will unite this world is an invasion from outer space.

Oh no! Some of the american dollar bills don't say 'in go we trust anymore'!!!! WE ARE DOOMED!

Politics and Religion, probably should not be discussed here??? Let's talk logos.

I second that! *

Clash you could not be more wrong. Your aspersions are totally ungrounded. THEArtisT is a gal not a guy %3B-%7D

I think it is interesting to say that logos are exclusive. **In my opinion I think it is easier to create a logo for a niche or for a targeted group of people than to create a logo for a broad and diverse group of people. **I have always been fascinated on how Countries brand themselves and how they define themselves and so far I have always seen some form of segregation because it is so difficult to unite everyone into an image. **But well in that case, I really do not feel %22united%22 neither visually or conceptually because the base concept is wrong. **And personally the logo (apart from the %22In Christ Alone%22), does not reflect anything more than the American colors %3B).

Great reading here,,, it's becoming a bio

Haha, man. This thread has become quite a fun read.

Not exactly how I wanted to become known on this site, but I was almost successful in reaching my goal of 50 comments :) (not including my own), all I need is 2 more.. any last thoughts?**I also had a goal of 25 votes, but I can see thats not going to happen.

comment %2349%0D*%0D*great dicussions, and considerably civil considering it is about religion:)

I've been trying to hold back, but one more post is what you need. **The only other thing I take exception to, was I don't think any of my comments were negative. Opposing opinion, yes, but not negative. Your logo (the message really) is both pro and con, unifying and divisive at the same time. The creativity may not be big time (although well crafted and pretty), but the message certainly is. Politics and religion are always two-edged swords. As a religious/political logo, it is what it is.

Man, I envy u :) I wish ONE of my logos made that huge of a controversy!! In terms of logo design, yes it does look like obama's. Other than that, I like it. Concept-wise, I ain't goin into that so I dun't get sucked into this political-religious convo. :) lol. I have my opinions but I prefer to stick to the design.*

WOW! Haven't been back here since I first posted.*A few things:*1. The logo is beautiful. If you take out %22In Christ Alone%22 it's a political logo simply put.*2. You have proved my point with your follow statement with others. You placed the logo and message here for critique, if you don't like a response, don't attack others because it doesn't fall in line with what you want to hear. If you don't warrant the opinion(s), simply don't post it.*3. Quoting you, %22 I think you should spend a little more look at the design and less time at my spelling/comment%22. Again pointing out a correction that need to be made. In return venomous retort. This is all too often what I see. There's no self-correction or self-reflection. Self-correction would tell you not to take it personal and to take every comment with %22a grain of salt%22. We are all professionals here and should act accordingly. At least after your response you made one correction. %22Centuries%22 is now correct! :%5E)