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Don't mind critiques, but I'm not actively looking for them
- FotoGrow
- by ClimaxDesigns
- Another one of my partners and I hair brain schemes to hopefully come out in the next few months. *Updated per some good user comments.*
- Number of views: 3286
- Dated Submitted: Jun. 18 '07
- Added to Gallery: Jun. 26 '07
- As seen on: FotoGrow
Jun. 19 '07
firebrand said:Funky! Nice colours too.
Jun. 22 '07
vinny said:I love the colors and the mark, the text just seems to be kerned oddly.
Has a great clean and modern feel, overall I like it a lot!
Jun. 26 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:fixed the kerning, there is an intentional little break between the foto and grow
Jun. 26 '07
KGB said:I like it, but the trunk of the tree looks a little too organic for the rest of the elements.
Jun. 26 '07
Craven91 said:I like the look and feel of this simple, clean (and modern) design. The concept seems well-thought out and the type treatment communicates the basic idea of this business. Your design intent seem to revolve around the concept of photos and this logo represents this idea better than any logo I've seen on here.
Bar none.
Jun. 26 '07
muku said:I really like the concept, colors and font choice, but I have to agree with KGB. Something about the shape of the roots is bugging me. Seems like maybe they should be a little more defined.
Jun. 26 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:@might play around with it, i was trying for them not to be symmetrical, but will see what I can do,
@flattery will get you everywhere craven =) thanks for the comps.
Jun. 26 '07
chanpion said:Man, I haven't seen that font for AGES! and to what better use than on this concept! great job pal.
Jun. 26 '07
OMNI said:Yes, the roots could work better in another shape. The typeface could be tweaked to alleviate some of the problems the font in itself has.
And I love the colors on it.
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:Climax,
You would rather have that pile of nonsense than my real feelings on this piece?
I pulled out every design buzzword I see on here and put it together in a big a$$-kissing pie.
You'd rather have this than honesty?
Jun. 27 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:? craven what are you talking about, i thought that was your honest opinion, if it is not then please explain yourself, you have been getting into it with a lot of members on here as of late, please don't feel like you have to mince words with me, I am a big boy...
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:The only members I have been getting into with are nido and kaimere. They keep getting angry when I offer my opinions on people's work because it's honest and not all "buddy-buddy."
And I think kaimere and I have reached an understanding anyway.
I was just seeing if the "buzzword extremely positive" response is what people want around here - or do they want my critique and suggestions?
I am glad to hear you're a big boy. So am I. Unfortunately some on here are not.
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:And my HONEST opinion of this piece is that it still looks in the development stage.
All the parts (photos, tree, idea of growth, etc.) are here. Now you just need to take these and arrange or stylize them in a unique way.
Jun. 27 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:You should not let one or two people get to you in such a way, I have been looking at the comments and I think where nido and kaimere are coming from is there is a polite, tactful way of expressing your opinion and then there is an "I don't really care how you feel"/tongue in cheek approach of which the later tend to be your style.
While i see nothing wrong with that to an extent you have to have just as tough a skin as you expect the recipient of said critic to have.
Jun. 27 '07
Relevant said:Well, you know what they say about bullies? Thats what I'm seeing with Craven, but I suppose that comment will make me a target too.
@Climax - I love this logo and that is my honest opinion. This is the type of logo I always hope to come up with when I start a project. It visually represents the company, the type is unique and the overall feel of the logo is fantastic. It seems very fun and inviting.
Jun. 27 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:Thanks Relevant, I always try(for better or for worse sometimes) to make the logos I create visually represent the brand that it is going to take on in a unique way.
I really need to, if anything, start making more abstract marks and get away from this so that the mark becomes more timeless, but hey ima a sucker for a good visual connections, and I thought I nailed the concept at least on this one.
Jun. 27 '07
senterbrands said:Climax...I like the look of this. To me is seems unfinished, but this is a good thing. It promotes the concept of growth. Which is what Craven I believe, is having a hard time grasping. ;) Nice Job!!
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:Senterbrands - If you read my last comment, I said I can see the idea of growth. No amount of internet smiley faces or winks can dispute that. It's there.
Relevant - not sure what they say about bullies.
Climax - I appreciate the words, but I am not thin-skinned. I would rather get the blunt criticism as long as it's constructive and not derogatory.
I am looking for opinions and help on how to get better. Nido is the one who wrote a novel on the page on one of my developmental logos (Dan's Bright Ideas - which I revised and went in a different direction anyway).
The thin-skin belongs to him.
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:Kaimere,
I have to be. I've never had someone so mad at me that he wrote me a 5 paragraph book on his hurt feelings.
Anyway, he is now giving constructive criticism, so I think the issue is behind us.
Jun. 27 '07
Relevant said:@Craven - Really?! Did you attend elementary school? I think thats where I first heard it. Bullies are cowards at heart. They make themselves feel better by picking on others.
Your comments are often derogatory and intentionally hurtful. You claim they are "honest", but "honestly" thats just a weak justification.
I've seen several instances where you don't have anything to say about the logo, but instead choose to critique the way in which other people critique. Get a clue, man.
Jun. 27 '07
identego said:What drove you to illustrate this, as you did?
a fresh approach, and a very identifiable and strong wysiwyg iconography.
Jun. 27 '07
identego said:I think designers get their hearts broken a million times a day. So no matter the tone of criticism, its the act. I am perplexed why was the designer ambushed.
Cowardly and a childish act, or was this a joke?
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:Relevant,
If you think I need to belittle others to make myself feel better than you are really speaking ignorantly.
My critiques of others' "critiques" are justified in the fac tthat they don't help us get better.
Get an ego stroke from your parents.
Last time I checked, we were trying to make money with our designs - how can we get better without getting the straight deal from our peers?
Jun. 27 '07
firebrand said:I'm seeing a nice crop of imacs (or mac classics). I'm wondering if the slides should be squared off?
Jun. 27 '07
firebrand said:Still funky though :)
Jun. 27 '07
chanpion said:Ok Dean, may I call you Dean? Too bad, I'm callin you Dean. You have created quite a stir since you've joined haven't you? I read all this 'honest opinion' remarks coming from you and it seems that you hold 'honesty' in very high regards when it comes to design critiques. But I also see your hints of sarcasm and ridicule targeting other designers in some of your comments when it was not provoked. If you so VALUE your integrity as an HONEST design critic and no airy fairy bull****, then just comment constructively like you do and not have a single motive to subtley provoke an argument which you really weren't looking for right?!
Honest constructive criticsms and comments can also be contructive in itself where it provides the recipient the useful info without ill feelings. If you're one of those that want to give personal harsh critiques that stirs the pot, IMO and I'm sure alot will agree AND judging from your talented showcase (yes that was sarcasm) you are nowhere NEAR qualified to provide such levels of critiques.
Also (yes I'm not finished), someone once said to me, if one person said its bad. Ignore it. If two persons say its bad, ignore it. If three persons says its bad, it must be well...bad.
You have not provided your much yearned for insight into my work yet (yes sarcasm again) so these are not words from a bitter mouth. I just don't feel you have EARNED the right to express yourself like that.
And if you think I'm wasting my time, I haven't. I typed this comment on my notebook whilst taking a nice relaxing crap ; )
Jun. 27 '07
Relevant said:Craven - As a side I went to the same school your profile says your attending, only I took most of my classes at the brick-and-mortar site. It was part of our school work to critique other students work. The rule of thumb was to to say two positives for every negative. Sometimes, I admit, this was hard. The point of the policy was to create an atmosphere of collaboration and helpfulness.
In contrast; harsh, brutally honest ridicule never does ANYONE any good. People are much more likely to take criticism and feedback to heart if it comes from someone who has shown themselves to be thoughtful and truly helpful.
I know my first knee-jerk reaction to some of your comments would be to fight back and defend my work (even if it were crappy) rather than to listen to anything you have to say.
Criticisms from Bart, Nido and several others are much easier to take and work with because they have a much better way of presenting their opinion than you do.
So if your goal is to prompt change and improvement, then you have failed miserably because NO ONE is listening to you. No one is taking you seriously. We're just fighting with you. ;) (and internet smilies rock!)
Jun. 27 '07
OMNI said:C'mon, we're not babies. I would never sugar-coat a critique. And I would never blatantly point out errors in a piece of work without also naming the good points. People should also learn how to take comments and critique, it's one of the best ways to learn form others anyway, so it's your loss if you don't take into consideration what other's have to say about your work. I'm just typing here in a general tone, not directed to anyone in particular.
And I think we're off the topic now, these posts should be in the forum.
If you find critiques to your work valuable, then take 'em, if not, discard 'em. (again, typing in a general tone).
Jun. 27 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:"And I think we're off the topic now, these posts should be in the forum."
True enough, but i don't mind, let everyone get it off their chest here so no other members thread gets 'hijacked'.
I value everyones opinion and i guess, craven, what you are seeing in terms of back slaps and high fives is that I set a tone for logopond early on, I had a non no nonsense policy for people being sarcastic and in general being hurtful and hateful in their critiques, there is nothing wrong with an honest straight from the hip critic but even then there are ways of saying what you need to say without coming across s crass or impolite.
The site has grown exponentially since then so it harder for me to keep up, but if you feel that someone is being abusive feel free to email me, or confront them in a polite manner. I mean take for example this conversation, after my last comment 4 hours ago all this broke out, so I wont be able to break up every situation, just work it out. I don't want anyone thinking that they don't belong or that their opinion needs to be positive all the time, hell some of the best designers on this site take it on the chin a heck of a lot of times and they take it in stride most of the time.
So I'm saying to everyone, go outside take a deep breath and then read your comment in your head before you submit it, if you think you would be fin on the receiving side of that comment , then post it.
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:I think chanpion just put me in my place.
You guys act as if I WANT to argue. If I want to argue I'll go to a message board and talk about my favorite bands.
I am perfectly capable of delivering positives as well as negatives. It just appears that you guys would rather focus on the negative things I've said as opposed to looking at EVERYTHING I've posted. I'm sure it all balances out.
I think OMNI summed it up best.
And who's Dean?
Jun. 27 '07
mpcovcd said:maury! maury! maury!
Jun. 27 '07
Craven91 said:Oh - is that what I wrote?
Jun. 27 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:I have read everything you have ever written craven, and thats the only reason you can still write anything ;)
Jun. 28 '07
Craven91 said:Thanks for being fair, Climax.
Jun. 28 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:what do you think of the changes i made to the logo? i combined some serifs and reworked the tree.
Jun. 28 '07
Craven91 said:I think the type placement works better this way - they fit around the curves of the trunk.
The photos seems a bit tight towards the bottom. What about spacing them out a bit?
Jun. 28 '07
senterbrands said:I honestly liked the previous version much better. The type is a little hard to read and the the mark is not as strong as the other.
Jun. 28 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:what is it that i lost in the mark do you think senter? i added another circle and made them a bit oval and combined them to get a more 'loose' tree top, do you think i should go back to the circle?
Jun. 28 '07
kydee said:Much better before - this feels like everything is jammed in now!! It needs more breathing space.
Jun. 28 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:yeah you're right too many cooks, went back the other orientation but still left the fixed roots and improved type
Jun. 28 '07
nido said:good for you... not all advice is the right advice... all you need to do though is... lol only kidding, like this just the way it is...
Jun. 28 '07
senterbrands said:Climax...I just think this arrangement feels more complete for the name.
Jun. 28 '07
Craven91 said:I guess you have to go with what you think is best.
Jun. 28 '07
ClimaxDesigns said:"Climax...I just think this arrangement feels more complete for the name."
yeah thats why i had designed it that way originally, but sometimes you have to see things another way to know that the way you had it the first time is right...
Jul. 23 '07
photosnaper said:any prize or award if we have been selected in the gallery? sometimes i wonder will non-designers visit this site? will it really help our creative business to post logo on this site?
just some question :)
Jul. 23 '07
Craven91 said:Photosnapper,
I think the prize is you get to have your stuff in the gallery.
I found this place a bit too clique-ish and not very constructive. I tried going constructive and got nothing but backlash.
I say good luck to you here - I really got nothing out of it.
Jul. 23 '07
admarcbart said:Craven...
There was nothing "going constructive and got nothing but backlash" about any of the comments you have made on this site.
Photosnapper...
The reward is the respect from you fellow design peers. Which in most cases is good enough for me. Take a look at some of the talent on this site and you will soon see why. ;)
Jul. 23 '07
OcularInk said:@ photosnaper : Non-designers definitely visit this site. Since becoming a member when LogoPond first started, I have had frequent logo requests referred from here. As a designer, I can't stress this enough. It's not who you know, but who knows you. Having your work on LogoPond will get attention. Good luck!!
@ Craven91 : Have you learned nothing since becoming a member?
Jul. 23 '07
kaimere said:@ Photosnapper - the benefits to me, is to meet fellow talented designers from different parts of the world, and appreciate different ideas, approaches and constraints
Jul. 23 '07
Craven91 said:Hold up - I have stop laughing at the "respect from fellow design peers" comment by whatever his name has changed to now. Funny thing is what I said you get and what he said you get are both worth the same - nada.
What I have learned here:
1) Do not be brutally honest. Stroke even the backwards designs because you never know when you can make a new friend.
2) Offer buzzwords like "mark" and "treatment" and "simple but elegant" instead of breaking down your critique to plain working terms. You sound more like a "design peer" when you know the lingo.
3) Make sure you attack those who stray from ideas #1 and #2 - BUT disguise these attacks as just "firing back" against the evil party who does not pat everyone on the back.
And personally, I have learned that all designers have good logos and bad logos. I thought the point of posting ALL the logos in the showcase was to help each other make the weak ones stronger - not to just make friends. I made a mistake.
Jul. 23 '07
kaimere said:Hehehe i tried to resist the urge but i couldn't. With every designer who decides to exhibit he does for his own reasons. Terms used are terms used whether we like it or not in the professional world, in someways this site only scratches the surface since its only one facet of our chosen profession but the i think the one true lesson you can see here is despite some people not getting what they want out of the site ... or use as a personal agenda when we should be talking about said logo is ....
god bless 'em - they are still here - which shows the value maybe not material but its something
Jul. 23 '07
Craven91 said:I forgot one:
4) Remember to call people out while exhibiting the same behavior you are calling them out on.
Thanks kaimere
Jul. 23 '07
kaimere said:hahah you love to argue ... im not calling you just showing a point ... dont you find it strange with all of your somewhat negative take on the site you are still here. Im just saying that your still here hence it shows a point.
Quite Ironic
Jul. 23 '07
admarcbart said:Craven91 said:
Hold up - I have stop laughing at the "respect from fellow design peers" comment by whatever his name has changed to now. Funny thing is what I said you get and what he said you get are both worth the same - nada.
Yawn.......does anyone actually care what he thinks anyways? The lack of respect of people in general from him only defines and shows us his character. I hope all potential clients that see this will realize and see him for who he is.
Jul. 24 '07
Craven91 said:I agree - kaimere and adamantbart need to let this go. Photosnapper asked a question. I responded.
Kaimere - your first two sentences illustrate irony. You say you're not doing something and then do that exact thing in the next breath.
Adbart - you CLEARLY have an opinion on me as a person which is strange because we've never met. It's probably best that we avoid each other on here.
Sorry about this Climax.
Jul. 24 '07
Craven91 said:I guess that's as close as you can get to actually being genuine, so I'll have to take it.
Yawn and peace to you as well.
Jul. 24 '07
kaimere said:heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy Climax ----------
the site wont let me register for an account ...
Jul. 24 '07
climaxdesigns said:Yeah the sites no where near being ready, when it is I will post a banner on here then you can go register.
Jul. 27 '07
photosnaper said:wao, i never thought that my simple question will cause the arguement. Sorry about that everyone!
May. 14 '08
786_mo said:Love the logo. Have you tried roughing the green shape up a bit?
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Jun. 19 '07
arabicdes said:funny how you show the "foto"es "grow"ing .. :)
I like it very mutch..