Yeah, I've played about with various D's - but I'll give your suggestion another shot. My main concern was the legibility between the NZ, so I wanted to keep all other characters as clear as possible.
epsilon said on
Feb. 12 '10
NZ is very cleverly done. It took me a moment to realize Z was missing a part :)
It is beautiful, but to close to Paul Barnes' work. He did something very similar to this more than 10 years ago. the font is called "dala floda" and its property of frieze magazine. This kind of game happens on some of the issues all the time.
I can honestly admit I've never seen Paul Barnes work before. It's a little disappointing actually. I spent a long time working on the this logotype, with many pages filled in my sketchbook with different variants on it.
I'm making a blog post on the process it took me to design this from start to finish, so you can see how I arrived with this design.
I guess you're right, this kind of thing does come up time to time. It's just really disheartening when you've created something you're really proud of... just some guy did it before you.
i dont really think the stuff i saw on that website discounts this as a logo or its usage, i could see if the guy used this typeface as a logo but he didnt it looks more like exploratory artistic expression work, which to me doesnt mean now noone can use this typeface. etc. maybe im wrong but i dont see the anything wrong with this and Paul Barnes work...
positraction said on
Feb. 16 '10
I'd think we'd all know by now that nothing's new or original in this line of work. As long as you're not intentionally ripping someone off, you're fine. Don't let this distantly-similar work bring you down. The logo rocks.
dust said on
Feb. 16 '10
Oh yes, don't get me wrong chopeh, i really like the logo, but the similarities are evident and some people will find it too close for their taste. If you read Frieze it feels recognizable straightaway. Anyway, it's true that pretty much everything has been invented, and you might get that font as a good reference to make your letters a bit different in your logo to make it even more your own... Anyway you should know that this font is only used for the headers on the magazine and its communication, so it is still pretty unknown...
Yes I've seen this font style used many times over the years but it's no different to using a stencil font for example. You've made it your own by removing the crossbar of the A and linking the N and Z.
@Climax - Yeah, I understand your point - If both uses of the similar typefaces were logos I'd be more worried.
@positraction - I wish everyone could see it from that same perspective. :)
@dust - Yeah, I get that. Thanks for bringing to my attention though. I find it pretty fascinating now actually; 2 different people can create something pretty similar without one seeing the others work...
@firebrand - I've seen something around these lines now I've looked into it a bit more. Semi-glad I didn't look into it before otherwise it could have effected the outcome of this logo. Not sure for better or worse though.
This mark is such a sleeper - and I mean that in the best possible way - At first I kinda glazed over it, but when you take a closer look, it's pretty incredible.
I also love that the letter 'Z' is practically non-existent in physical form, yet it is still 100% legible.
haha I like this! It's pushing the envelope and still very readable.
Zephon said on
Feb. 17 '10
Yes, it is fully legible at first sight, also meets my understanding of an individual magazine publishing culture, design and food. A solid and well done Concept, maybe not able to get a hold on cold, high key colors (i'm thinking of an alwys changing Magazine Layout), but that's just a short thought.
@koodoz & mattaebersold - Thanks for the kind words :)
@Zephon - Thanks, luckily the site is changing more to a blog style so the logo will likely remain on a consistent colour. But I agree, it could be less effective on high key colours.
Really good job on this one Pete! And great post on your blog as well. One suggestion though, I would pull the "A" up into the ascender line slightly to correct the "A" seeming to be a little smaller than the rest.
antyclymax said on
Feb. 20 '10
Despite being a good job reminds me of Shaolin style - "http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/testpilot/shaolin-style/"
@Art Machine - Thanks, and good point. However I've banned myself from poking about with it for the moment. I might notch it up a lil' when their website goes live. :)
@antyclymax - I can see where you draw the similarities there.
AMP said on
Feb. 20 '10
very very cool.
Amalfi Designs said on
Feb. 21 '10
I absolutely love it! Very cleverly made. The pointiness of the characters compensates for the missing lines that should be there and allows the user's eyes to follow in a consistent way. Very clever! Well done!
I like the in-depth breakdown of your logo-process http://www.chopeh.com/blog/logo-design-start-to-finish/ It helped me appreciate the logo more. Well done dude. I actually prefer it black on white background, but the black/grey colours of the under-construction danish blog look slick.
@plantingseeds - Cheers for stopping by and taking a read, glad you enjoyed reading about the process. It's more than likely that on the final website the logo will be on a white background.
Now that's beautiful craftsmanship. Well done my friend.
bugbug said on
Jul. 15 '10
Span!.... http://www.nzso.co.nz/home
bugbug said on
Jul. 15 '10
oops, I meant snap!
epsilon said on
Jul. 15 '10
This ^ looks like a recent rebrand. Here's how their logo looked in 2008 - >> "clicky click":http://web.archive.org/web/20100716000159/http://www.nzso.co.nz/Site/Files/c/65acbb0aac805a2ba9c2e4c148c348b/af7107bcafabfdd4b75b8eaa79f30f5a/NZSOlogo.gif <<
JoePrince said on Feb. 12 '10
LOGOMOTIVE said on Feb. 12 '10
LOGOMOTIVE said on Feb. 12 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 12 '10
LOGOMOTIVE said on Feb. 12 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 12 '10
epsilon said on Feb. 12 '10
Have you tried building D's vertical stroke out of N's end caps, i.e. just two triangles?
michaelspitz said on Feb. 12 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 12 '10
Yeah, I've played about with various D's - but I'll give your suggestion another shot. My main concern was the legibility between the NZ, so I wanted to keep all other characters as clear as possible.
epsilon said on Feb. 12 '10
ethereal said on Feb. 12 '10
ru_ferret said on Feb. 12 '10
firebrand said on Feb. 12 '10
Chopeh said on Feb. 12 '10
me now I've stepped away from it for a while. Will be fixing that guy in the morning!
kathariney said on Feb. 12 '10
cerise said on Feb. 12 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 13 '10
AlexWende said on Feb. 14 '10
JoePrince said on Feb. 14 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 14 '10
I was a little disappointed it didn't make it either - put a lot of work into this one.
You win some you lose some I guess :(
ClimaxDesigns said on Feb. 14 '10
vasvari said on Feb. 15 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 15 '10
Thanks for adding it though, made my day :D
@vasvari - Thanks!
mcdseven said on Feb. 15 '10
Gafyn said on Feb. 15 '10
hamidos said on Feb. 15 '10
kman said on Feb. 15 '10
raja said on Feb. 15 '10
I love this logo
Chad Sanderson said on Feb. 15 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 15 '10
logoboom said on Feb. 15 '10
Petro said on Feb. 15 '10
dust said on Feb. 16 '10
http://moderntypography.com/Typedesign/DalaFloda/PageOne.html
chopeh said on Feb. 16 '10
You're right, it is very similar!
I can honestly admit I've never seen Paul Barnes work before. It's a little disappointing actually. I spent a long time working on the this logotype, with many pages filled in my sketchbook with different variants on it.
I'm making a blog post on the process it took me to design this from start to finish, so you can see how I arrived with this design.
I guess you're right, this kind of thing does come up time to time. It's just really disheartening when you've created something you're really proud of... just some guy did it before you.
:(
ClimaxDesigns said on Feb. 16 '10
positraction said on Feb. 16 '10
dust said on Feb. 16 '10
rudy hurtado said on Feb. 16 '10
firebrand said on Feb. 16 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 16 '10
@positraction - I wish everyone could see it from that same perspective. :)
@dust - Yeah, I get that. Thanks for bringing to my attention though. I find it pretty fascinating now actually; 2 different people can create something pretty similar without one seeing the others work...
@firebrand - I've seen something around these lines now I've looked into it a bit more. Semi-glad I didn't look into it before otherwise it could have effected the outcome of this logo. Not sure for better or worse though.
@rudy & thisGuy - Thanks :D
koodoz said on Feb. 16 '10
I also love that the letter 'Z' is practically non-existent in physical form, yet it is still 100% legible.
mattaebersold said on Feb. 16 '10
Zephon said on Feb. 17 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 18 '10
@Zephon - Thanks, luckily the site is changing more to a blog style so the logo will likely remain on a consistent colour. But I agree, it could be less effective on high key colours.
designoman said on Feb. 20 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 20 '10
I've posted a a blog post on the process of designing this logo over at my site "here":http://www.chopeh.com/blog/logo-design-start-to-finish
Art Machine said on Feb. 20 '10
antyclymax said on Feb. 20 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 20 '10
@antyclymax - I can see where you draw the similarities there.
AMP said on Feb. 20 '10
Amalfi Designs said on Feb. 21 '10
chopeh said on Feb. 22 '10
konvivial said on Mar. 10 '10
plantingseeds said on Mar. 20 '10
chopeh said on Mar. 24 '10
@plantingseeds - Cheers for stopping by and taking a read, glad you enjoyed reading about the process. It's more than likely that on the final website the logo will be on a white background.
mabu said on Apr. 22 '10
bugbug said on Jul. 15 '10
bugbug said on Jul. 15 '10
epsilon said on Jul. 15 '10
createur de logo said on Jan. 14 '11
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